In 2010, Jonn 'Snacks' Mathews was offered an opportunity to play professional football in Denmark, where he has continued as a high school educator in his life after sports. Jonn is an expatriate whose perspective as a black youth in America was jarred open after his move to Europe. And he's spent his life challenging his own and other world views ever since. Today's conversation weaves in and out of various countries, eras, topics and moods, just like the relationship between these two. And in an unexpected twist, music legend Billy Ocean lends an old classic to help describe Kirk's love for this week's special guest.
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